Anyone know the status of BD-18?
http://www.jimbede.com/
Is it really a joke or what?

planenuts wrote:
> Anyone know the status of BD-18?
> http://www.jimbede.com/
> Is it really a joke or what?

No, but if past results are any guarantee of future performance, it
will be a disaster. Jim Bede has never had a truly successful business
venture. All have imploded with dead people, crashed airplanes and
builders left with nothing to show.


Homebuilders are a gullible bunch.

Still interested?

1. Jabiru is a worst-of-breed scenario. A LyCon has parts availability
through the normal aviation channels, which are at airports. A general
purpose engine installation has parts support through car, boat, or
industrial places within easy access of most any airport. Jabiru? One
guy in the US, and he has a reputation already. (Or his predecessor
sure did.)

2. Spins anyone? That was a BIG debacle for Grumman American if you
recall. From the look of it Jim has not learned a damn thing in almost
40 years.

3. Since the MOST successful BD homebuilt has few builders today and
was at best a mixed success and almost every other Jim Bede homebuilt
was an unmitigated disaster-the 5 and 10 stand way out there-I would
have to conclude that despite my dislike of them and /or their products
Richard Van Grunsven's RV, or even the arrogant prick Alfred Scott's
mutated production Falco, would be better choices.

"planenuts" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Anyone know the status of BD-18?
> http://www.jimbede.com/
> Is it really a joke or what?



According to the website:

"The BD-18 has outstanding flying characteristics. A relatively high
cruising speed is belied by a modest landing speed. New pilots and pros
alike will enjoy its sweet and docile flying qualities."

Very interesting, since the "pictures" page only has computer generated
images, which makes me doubt that one has even been built, much less flown.

Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...

KB

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote

> Very interesting, since the "pictures" page only has computer generated
> images, which makes me doubt that one has even been built, much less
flown.
>
> Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
> goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...

Nah, they already offer one of those...
<g>
--
Jim in NC

In a previous article, "Kyle Boatright" > said:
>Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
>goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...

Wasn't that the BD-5?


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"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Kyle Boatright" > said:
> >Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
> >goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...
>
> Wasn't that the BD-5?

Nah! He never found a motor to work in that one.

Try again! <g>
--
Jim in NC

In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>> In a previous article, "Kyle Boatright" > said:
>> >Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
>> >goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...
>>
>> Wasn't that the BD-5?
>
>Nah! He never found a motor to work in that one.

Oh, sorry, I thought Kyle said he'll be selling a kit that he *claims*
gets 50mpg, goes 200mph, and is fully aerobatic.

I love the fact that the web site claims that the BD-10 is out of
production because the jet engine used too much fuel, not because it
killed everybody who flew it.

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Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I'd sooner volunteer to admin every Windows box at $ORKPLACE (and it's a
biiiig place) than think for one second that I could understand the thought
process of a teenage female. -- David P. Murphy

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
> >"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In a previous article, "Kyle Boatright" > said:
> >> >Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
> >> >goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...
> >>
> >> Wasn't that the BD-5?
> >
> >Nah! He never found a motor to work in that one.
>
> Oh, sorry, I thought Kyle said he'll be selling a kit that he *claims*
> gets 50mpg, goes 200mph, and is fully aerobatic.
>
> I love the fact that the web site claims that the BD-10 is out of
> production because the jet engine used too much fuel, not because it
> killed everybody who flew it.


I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
think any still fly. I was told that none ever exceeded 400 KIAS
(without disintegrating) and that was thought to be the true VNE for
the aircraft.

Jim Bede is Exhibit A for the sort of person the civil tort system is
SUPPOSED to keep deterred from doing business. Doesn't work, does it?
He has no liability insurance and all his property is in some other
name. He's judgmentproof. No one will sue him because they won't get
any assets and he probably won't even give you the satisfaction of a
trial-he'll just default, as the judgment isn't worth toilet paper.

Morgans wrote:
> "Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In a previous article, "Kyle Boatright" > said:
> > >Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
> > >goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...
> >
> > Wasn't that the BD-5?
>
> Nah! He never found a motor to work in that one.

Others did, but by then the damage was done. Homebuilders are
trendies, and the 5 was out of favor. It's as well: it took more
skills to fly than the demographic afforded.

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> planenuts wrote:
>> Anyone know the status of BD-18?
>> http://www.jimbede.com/
>> Is it really a joke or what?
>
> No, but if past results are any guarantee of future performance, it
> will be a disaster. Jim Bede has never had a truly successful business
> venture. All have imploded with dead people, crashed airplanes and
> builders left with nothing to show.
>
> Homebuilders are a gullible bunch.

What's the matter, some homebuilder beat the **** out of you in grade
school? LOL! :)



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"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
> think any still fly.

<mercy snip>

There's always some schmuck who talks out his ass without any real live
knowledge whatsover. Two BD-10's survive in airworthy condition. One is
owned by Fuel Fresh in Scottsdale, AZ. The other belongs to a museum in
Canada owned by aviation enthusiast David Carlaw, who is in the process of
getting it airworthy after it sat in another Canadian museum for a while.




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Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
> > think any still fly.
>
> <mercy snip>
>
> There's always some schmuck who talks out his ass without any real live
> knowledge whatsover. Two BD-10's survive in airworthy condition. One is
> owned by Fuel Fresh in Scottsdale, AZ. The other belongs to a museum in
> Canada owned by aviation enthusiast David Carlaw, who is in the process of
> getting it airworthy after it sat in another Canadian museum for a while.


That's why I said "I think".

You are the type expert: tell me, total ever flown, total fatalities,
total writeoffs nonfatal: DEMONSTRATED safe top speed: DEMONSTRATED
range: total kits delivered: total deposits taken: percent of the delta
(payments taken, kits not received) refunded. Also can you tell me
who all is still alive who flew it and their statements as to its
flying qualities?

If you feel as though these are unreasonable questions, please explain
why.

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
>> > think any still fly.
>>
>> <mercy snip>
>>
>> There's always some schmuck who talks out his ass without any real live
>> knowledge whatsover. Two BD-10's survive in airworthy condition. One is
>> owned by Fuel Fresh in Scottsdale, AZ. The other belongs to a museum in
>> Canada owned by aviation enthusiast David Carlaw, who is in the process
>> of
>> getting it airworthy after it sat in another Canadian museum for a while.
>
> That's why I said "I think".
>
> You are the type expert: tell me, total ever flown, total fatalities,
> total writeoffs nonfatal: DEMONSTRATED safe top speed: DEMONSTRATED
> range: total kits delivered: total deposits taken: percent of the delta
> (payments taken, kits not received) refunded. Also can you tell me
> who all is still alive who flew it and their statements as to its
> flying qualities?
>
> If you feel as though these are unreasonable questions, please explain
> why.

First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
why. :)

Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
**** off all homebuilders.




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Juan Jimenez wrote:
<<snip>>
>
> First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
> time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
> why. :)
>
> Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
> that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
> flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
> hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
> won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
> **** off all homebuilders.
>

Bwah bwah bwah.

I'm essentially right, am I not?

I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.

I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> <<snip>>
> >
> > First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
> > time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
> > why. :)
> >
> > Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
> > that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
> > flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
> > hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
> > won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
> > **** off all homebuilders.
> >
>
> Bwah bwah bwah.
>
> I'm essentially right, am I not?
>
> I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
> complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
> transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
> abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
> a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.
>
> I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
> of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
> but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
> airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
> bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.

You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
wrong.)

Bob

Did Juan ever get his BD-5 test hopped and flying? Used to be a lot of
yak about the bird but haven't seen anything now for a long time.

Big John
`````````````````````````````````````````````````` ````````````````````

On 24 Aug 2006 19:23:32 -0700, "BobR" >
wrote:

>
>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> <<snip>>
>> >
>> > First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
>> > time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
>> > why. :)
>> >
>> > Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
>> > that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
>> > flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
>> > hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
>> > won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
>> > **** off all homebuilders.
>> >
>>
>> Bwah bwah bwah.
>>
>> I'm essentially right, am I not?
>>
>> I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
>> complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
>> transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
>> abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
>> a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.
>>
>> I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
>> of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
>> but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
>> airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
>> bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.
>
>You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
>Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
>Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
>believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
>wrong.)

BobR wrote:

>
> You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
> Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
> Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
> believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
> wrong.)


Jim Bede is actually a technically competent engineer, or was at one
time. But he is also an incorrigible con man, much like L. Ron Hubbard.
If Jim was in a situation where he could only design and build
airplanes and not talk to anyone, not sell, not interact with the
public, and responsible people did the selling once the aircraft was
flight tested and proven to meet all the stated goals, he would
actually be able to do something useful to society. However, he refuses
to work in such a setting. As it is I look forwward to his obit, not
out of personal animosity but because he is only going to result in
more people being fleeced and more worthless half-built piles of
aluminum littering garages. And only embalming fluid will slake this
compulsion.

John,

Last I heard he was trying to unload it. I have never seen any report
that it has ever flown but I haven't been trying to keep up either. I
suspect not.

Bob


Big John wrote:
> Bob
>
> Did Juan ever get his BD-5 test hopped and flying? Used to be a lot of
> yak about the bird but haven't seen anything now for a long time.
>
> Big John
> `````````````````````````````````````````````````` ````````````````````
>
> On 24 Aug 2006 19:23:32 -0700, "BobR" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >> <<snip>>
> >> >
> >> > First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
> >> > time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
> >> > why. :)
> >> >
> >> > Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
> >> > that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
> >> > flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
> >> > hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
> >> > won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
> >> > **** off all homebuilders.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Bwah bwah bwah.
> >>
> >> I'm essentially right, am I not?
> >>
> >> I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
> >> complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
> >> transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
> >> abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
> >> a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.
> >>
> >> I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
> >> of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
> >> but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
> >> airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
> >> bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.
> >
> >You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
> >Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
> >Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
> >believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
> >wrong.)

In article . com>, BobR says...
>
>John,
>
>Last I heard he was trying to unload it. I have never seen any report
>that it has ever flown but I haven't been trying to keep up either. I
>suspect not.
>
>Bob
>
>
>Big John wrote:
>> Bob
>>
>> Did Juan ever get his BD-5 test hopped and flying? Used to be a lot of
>> yak about the bird but haven't seen anything now for a long time.

Unload it? I wonder why ? I'm sure it was never flown and for sure not by jaun
..He's as afraid of it as we are LOL!!!All sizzle no bacon....


See ya

Chuck S

BobR wrote:
> John,
>
> Last I heard he was trying to unload it. I have never seen any report
> that it has ever flown but I haven't been trying to keep up either. I
> suspect not.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Big John wrote:
>> Bob
>>
>> Did Juan ever get his BD-5 test hopped and flying? Used to be a lot of
>> yak about the bird but haven't seen anything now for a long time.
>>
>> Big John
>> `````````````````````````````````````````````````` ````````````````````
>>
>> On 24 Aug 2006 19:23:32 -0700, "BobR" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>> <<snip>>
>>>>> First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
>>>>> time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
>>>>> why. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
>>>>> that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
>>>>> flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
>>>>> hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
>>>>> won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
>>>>> **** off all homebuilders.
>>>>>
>>>> Bwah bwah bwah.
>>>>
>>>> I'm essentially right, am I not?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
>>>> complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
>>>> transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
>>>> abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
>>>> a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.
>>>>
>>>> I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
>>>> of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
>>>> but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
>>>> airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
>>>> bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.
>>> You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
>>> Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
>>> Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
>>> believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
>>> wrong.)
>

Haven't you heard? He got zoom to fly it to 80 kilofeet and mach
2.1 wile doing 8g maneuvers.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

>>Last I heard he was trying to unload it. I have never seen any report
>>that it has ever flown but I haven't been trying to keep up either. I
>>suspect not.
>>
>>Bob
>
>Unload it? I wonder why ? I'm sure it was never flown and for sure not by jaun
>.He's as afraid of it as we are LOL!!!All sizzle no bacon....
>
>
>See ya
>
>Chuck S
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

A month ago or more...
I saw it advertised for sale somewhere on the Net.
IIRC, nothing was stated about it ever flying.


- Barnyard Bob -

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
> <<snip>>
>>
>> First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
>> time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
>> why. :)
>>
>> Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the
>> BD-10
>> that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are
>> still
>> flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
>> hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
>> won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission
>> to
>> **** off all homebuilders.
>>
>
> Bwah bwah bwah.
>
> I'm essentially right, am I not?

No, but if it keeps you out of trouble to think you are, enjoy. :)




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And you're still as totally clueless as usual. The maintenance program was
accepted last week.

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> John,
>
> Last I heard he was trying to unload it. I have never seen any report
> that it has ever flown but I haven't been trying to keep up either. I
> suspect not.
>
> Bob



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Don't hold out, Jaun.
Give us the details.
Make us all jealous!

Be sure to rub in how many hours *YOU* logged in it.
Also brag about how much BD-5 time you have
racked up after all these many years, as well.
You're convinced you have the right stuff.
Make us all green with envy!



On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:53:17 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>And you're still as totally clueless as usual. The maintenance program was
>accepted last week.
>
>>
>> Last I heard he was trying to unload it. I have never seen any report
>> that it has ever flown but I haven't been trying to keep up either. I
>> suspect not.
>>
>> Bob

Barnyard BOb wrote:
>
> Don't hold out, Jaun.
> Give us the details.
> Make us all jealous!
>
> Be sure to rub in how many hours *YOU* logged in it.
> Also brag about how much BD-5 time you have
> racked up after all these many years, as well.
> You're convinced you have the right stuff.
> Make us all green with envy!
>

He's waiting on permission from zoom.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired